Thanks Dave, that sure did help and amc49 that's what I'm afraid of . Those Chinese crash bars I find on ebay can be had for less that $30.00. I don't mind paying the big bucks for quality if that is what it takes. I did find some at motorcycleseatsdirect.com but they want $140.00 for a pair. I'm going to call them and find out where there are made. I'll let you know.