Update on the '78 CB750A project

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Hi folks, long time with no post. My last thread about this bike is here; I first picked it up in January '23. I put this project to the side for a long time and finally have a moment with enough time/money/motivation to make some more progress and wanted to follow up with you fine folks in case you've got any additional advice. I didn't want to revive the old thread since it's been so long. Buckle up, I'm going to try to outline as much as I can with a single update! She's as much of a basket case as one could ask for, and my first project bike ever. I have a tendency to jump into things feet-first. Any advice, wisdom, or parts you want to throw at me... feel free. :laugh2:

After getting her fired up for the first time in 20+ years she's continued to sit and wait for the next steps. I pulled the carbs and had to order new boots; they were pinched, hardened, and torn - not saveable. A buddy of mine is finishing up the carb work for me while I take care of some odds and ends. I replaced the entire wiring loom (sourced from vintagecb750.com) after having my work double-checked and confirmed that there are random drops through a bunch of the wires, widespread corrosion. Too far gone to warrant fixing. The new harness is currently "mocked" in to test so I can easily pull it to clean up the frame and engine. I pulled the old one haphazardly and didn't think about the fading on some of the connections so it's a slow process trying to make sure I connect all the right wires. I have LED signals and flasher relay, I think I recall that I'll need to add in-line resistors as well. The signals have plenty of wire on them so I'll probably add those directly to the signals or maybe right inbetween the connection to the loom for ease. I didn't see which lines went to which connectors on the bottom of the changing relay so if anyone could help me figure that out, I'd appreciate it. I found the wiring diagram on this site but I'm a novice at reading them. That relay needs replacement but it doesn't look like there are any new options available. What would happen if I get rid of it?

Still to do is the entire front end, fork seals, entirely new brake system - master cylinder was shot, lines rotted and clogged, caliper badly rusted. I'm considering looking for an entirely new front fork that would be compatible; a dual-disk brake system would be nice. Wheels need to be pulled, blasted, painted. I really like the Comstars so I hope they're salvageable, I'm not sure how deep the rust is yet and I don't want to risk them having an offset or not truing up right because of it.

The tank has been blasted and needs to be bodyfilled/sanded/painted. I had a couple of pinholes welded, but the inside is still a horrible mess. Completely covered with rust and looks like it may have been coated once before. I'd really like to fix that with Evapo-rust, but I can't stomach the cost of 5 gallons of that right now. Last time I de-rusted a gas tank with vinegar I wasn't able to prevent flash-rusting with fogging oil so I'll need to really do my research on getting it done right. It'll definitely need coating after that as well, and I imagine the float arm is just going to have to be replaced if at all possible. I know the tank will probably start leaking again after this process but I wanted the existing pinholes welded first for the rust-removal process to work well. I've been considering using a totally different tank at first should the rebuild be complete before I finish that.

Chain and sprockets are of course rusted and will need replacement as well. Will do that when it runs. Original 4-into-2 exhaust has several holes and plenty of rust, and I imagine the mufflers are shot. Not really sure how I want to approach this yet. I've decided I'm going to sand and spray the frame myself. I'd really like to have it done professionally but don't have the wherewithal to take apart the motor to pull it from the frame and send it out and pay for the blasting/coating process.

Stylistically I can't make up my mind on where to take this. It seems like 99% of custom CBs are cafe racers, but I want something decently comfortable and don't like the riding position of a cafe. I don't have a use for a scrambler though they look cool. Maybe some kind of psuedo cruiser/cafe look? I don't want to cut the frame much/at all. I regularly ride a Shadow and prefer the upright, foot-forward position of a cruiser to other bikes. Opinions and examples welcome.

EDIT: Adding as well that I'm looking for different handlebars and controls as well. The killswitch came loose again within a few days of fixing it, and I think the plastic inside is simply damaged and not holding the ball in place anymore. It's still usable but slipped loose; I figure why not go with all-new sets, they don't need to be OEM style though. Any recommendations on some that would be easy to wire into the existing connections?
 
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For the tank, remove all the old internal coating first. It can be a pain the butt to get out, but you need to do that before tackling the rust. When that stuff is all out, you can use phosphoric acid (I've had excellent luck with that). I believe it converts the rust, not dissolves it, so you need to be sure the petcock area is scraped clean of the rust before treatment. And don't forget about vents that need to be cleared so they remain open.
 
For the tank, remove all the old internal coating first. It can be a pain the butt to get out, but you need to do that before tackling the rust. When that stuff is all out, you can use phosphoric acid (I've had excellent luck with that). I believe it converts the rust, not dissolves it, so you need to be sure the petcock area is scraped clean of the rust before treatment. And don't forget about vents that need to be cleared so they remain open.
The petcock is ruined so it's of no concern to save; I'll be sure to plug the vent lines up so they don't get covered. Are there any products that would help remove old sealing? Acetone maybe?
 
What I mean about the petcock insert and vents, is if you use phosphoric acid it will convert the rust. So you have to remove it from those areas before using that acid. Plugging the vent won't stop any rust in the pipe from converting. Make sense?
As for the old coating, take out a few pieces and test different solvents. Acetone may break down one liner but not others. You need to discover what works for that liner.
 
What I mean about the petcock insert and vents, is if you use phosphoric acid it will convert the rust. So you have to remove it from those areas before using that acid. Plugging the vent won't stop any rust in the pipe from converting. Make sense?
As for the old coating, take out a few pieces and test different solvents. Acetone may break down one liner but not others. You need to discover what works for that liner.
Got it, thanks for clarifying!
 
I figure you folks might want a visual of where this thing is at. I wish I had more photos of it the day I brought it home to compare, but I got right to wrenching on it at the time. Teardown is nearly complete, paint to follow.

I got a front end + rear wheel from a 1979 CB750F Super Sport and it all seems to fit just fine in quick checks, so it'll have the reverse comstars which I personally really like. The engine has been mostly sanded clean but I still have some spots to hit before it's ready for paint. Same goes for the frame; all that is just surface rust. The plan is to black it all out and I'll be getting a kit to replace the engine bolts after that; this will save me from having to mask off the old ones which are crusty junk anyway. New swingarm on the way as it was too rusty, and the center stand is ruined as well. Easy to replace, thankfully.

I plan on making this a custom, modern brat/cafe at this point. On that note, I have a few questions to help guide some of my rebuild process. Apologies if some of this exists in older posts, I've been doing a ton of research as I go and it gets overwhelming and easy to lose track:
  • The original exhaust pipes are awful. Heavily, heavily rusted from the top of the headers down to the first weld, and multiple large holes. I know the Hondamatic has the wet sump on the bottom end making it incompatible with most aftermarket CB exhausts; should I attempt to have the original headers saved, or look for a custom solution? If custom, what's a ballpark number on the cost of a 4 into 1 or 4 into 2 single-side? All new to me. I'll add photos when I have time to go take them.
  • How much of the original electonics and hardware can be eliminated without the functionality being affected? Given the Hondamatic has some extra bits, I'm not really sure what if anything is safe to scrap. I wish I had the expertise and ample cash to throw an M-unit at it and really clean up the wiring well, but I've already bought a new OEM-spec harness.
  • Are there any aftermarket solutions for replacing the carb boots (between the carbs/engine) or am I going to have to shell out $100+ for NOS rubber online? Originals were completely unsalvagable and there's not much about this. I haven't found anyone online who's confirmed a non-OEM solution. I'm not sure how I'd position the carbs for a mockup if I were to try and solve this on my own.
  • Filters. I don't like the OEM airbox but I'm going to use OEM equipment until I get the bike rebuilt and running properly before I consider swapping it out. I love the Cognito Moto intake box, just not willing to drop over $300 on that. Anything close to that design? I don't really care for the 4-pod lineup look and I want to make sure the airflow isn't too unregulated, running well comes first.

I'm sure I'll have a lot more to run by the forum as I start putting everything back together. I'll try to photograph and document that process a little more thoroughly for anyone interested in seeing where this goes.
 

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Recently picked up:
  • New swingarm
  • Swingarm bushings (bronze upgraded version)
  • New rear suspension
  • New front & rear wheel bearing kits
  • New roller-style steering bearing kit
  • Rear brake shoes
  • New handlebars (went with superbike style)
... and a few other minor bits and pieces. The bike is just about ready for paint, I just need to pull those side pieces (CMS calls them muffler holders?) and finish the prep work which I've been chipping away at very slowly. I don't enjoy trying to sand away all the oxidation, it's a real pain.

I'm going to need to slow down a little bit since I'm entering the "buy, buy, buy" phase where I'll need new parts constantly. I still haven't been able to verify compatibility of front brake parts, so if anyone can help me find any info on front brakes for the DOHC Super Sport models (79-82) please help a guy out! I need literally every brake part up front aside from rotors and I need to know 100% if other year model parts will fit my 79F front end.
 
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