Soft Pop/Backfire on Throttle Open

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Hello All,

I'm new to the forum, but extremely happy to see it alive and active. I recently acquired an 81 750F from a "collector". Very clean and well maintained bike. 11,xxx miles. Bike is nearly what i would consider to be 8 or 9 out of 10. However, the bike has a somewhat consistent sputter/pop/backfire that ranges in intensity on deceleration or at low RPM. It only occurs on the right side of the bike (cylinder 3 or 4). Its not deafening, but it is consistent and slightly concerning.

I've also found that if i let off the throttle completely for a second or two, even after releasing at low speed, the moment i open the throttle at all, it will cause a semi intense pop. This happens pretty consistently. Or, if i leave my hand very light on the throttle, barely opening the butterfly, that a more smooth consistent pop will occur. I've only heard it backfire loud maybe once. I'm hesitant to keep riding it for fear of making the problem worse. I haven't looked too far into it, however I have gone through most of the basics of the bike and everything is in very clean condition. No missing parts from the bike, even the less desirable ones (spawn of satan? lol). I've checked carb synchronization and found that it needed no adjustment. Im not an expert but all carbs were surprisingly synced up, despite previous owner saying he had never synced the carb (i don't think he rode it a lot).

Im looking for any advice or experience with a similar issue. Im going to look closer at the intake boots on the airbox and carb to see if i can find a leak. Also, ive heard that exhaust leaks can cause backfiring or popping by letting air into the exhaust causing the late combustion. On the right header right before the muffler, there is an very small hole (maybe between 1/16" dia). It looks like it was manufactured like that. The left header has it too however it appears plugged with something. Could this be enough to cause the backfire? I'm considering plugging it with a small dab of high heat JB weld, but before doing that I wanted to see if I can gain any wisdom.

Thanks in advance
Pat
 
I believe that hole is to let condensation out of the pipe. I could be wrong. But I know it is factory.
For your popping, look at your plugs on 3 and 4. If you see a lean running cylinder then you know that carb has an issue. If they look good, you might have an exhaust leak. You can check for an exhaust leak by putting a feather or strip of paper where the header meets the cylinder head to see if it flutters.
 
I would add that, pop can also be caused by unburned fuel. You may have some issues with carbs BUT I would put some fresh gas and some Sea Foam and ride the bike first before digging through carbs, since you said bike runs good...
Do simple stuff, checks first before digging deep. Those holes in exhaust are made to purge water created during first start when everything is cold, DON'T plug them, your exhaust will rot really quick.
 
Hola hermano , para mi esas explociones ees asociado a la falta de nafta como quien dice se tira pedos.
Paso uno.
Yo veria la bujia si esta pobre la mezcla,
paso 2 .regularia los " jet " y/o a ver si no estan muy fuera de registro.
Paso 3 limpiaria los chiclé ....
Paso 4 desarmaria carburador y veria las sopapas de corte o diafragmas que no esten pegadas.

Perdon si no se entiende mucho pero mi ingles es mucho peor.

Saludos desde el culito del mundo.
 
Thank you everyone for the responses! I really appreciate the insights. Looking forward to getting back to the bike when i have some time this week or weekend. Hopefully I will have an update sometime soon. This bike is close to being a dime Im really hoping to sort out the fart!
 
I would add that, pop can also be caused by unburned fuel. You may have some issues with carbs BUT I would put some fresh gas and some Sea Foam and ride the bike first before digging through carbs, since you said bike runs good...
Do simple stuff, checks first before digging deep. Those holes in exhaust are made to purge water created during first start when everything is cold, DON'T plug them, your exhaust will rot really quick.
I have done precisely that already! Some fresh premium with a dash of seafoam. About a tank through the bike at this point. I frequently run small amounts of seafoam through my dirtbike and find that it helps delay the buildup of gunk. Also, thanks for the warning about the condensation drains. I was seriously reconsidering my plugging idea because they definitely looked intentional and not a side effect of damage or deterioration.

Thanks again
 
I believe that hole is to let condensation out of the pipe. I could be wrong. But I know it is factory.
For your popping, look at your plugs on 3 and 4. If you see a lean running cylinder then you know that carb has an issue. If they look good, you might have an exhaust leak. You can check for an exhaust leak by putting a feather or strip of paper where the header meets the cylinder head to see if it flutters.
Good point on the condensation drain. It definitely appears to be intentional. Bo82 made the same point so thank you both for deterring my ill thought solution. Good idea to use paper or feathrer to check for the exhaust leaks. I had tried with my hand, hence how i discovered the drain hole, however it was difficult to tell in some areas. Thanks again for the response.
 
Hola hermano , para mi esas explociones ees asociado a la falta de nafta como quien dice se tira pedos.
Paso uno.
Yo veria la bujia si esta pobre la mezcla,
paso 2 .regularia los " jet " y/o a ver si no estan muy fuera de registro.
Paso 3 limpiaria los chiclé ....
Paso 4 desarmaria carburador y veria las sopapas de corte o diafragmas que no esten pegadas.

Perdon si no se entiende mucho pero mi ingles es mucho peor.

Saludos desde el culito del mundo.
Greetings from the other side! Thank you brother. Appreciate the insights!
 
To anyone who may see this, UPDATE (with pics):

I had a few minutes to stop and look at things and noticed several seemingly obvious observations that i had not noted before.

I started the bike to let idle and went about checking for exhaust leaks on cylinder 3 and 4 using a small piece of paper. After a minute I noticed something strange. The header on cylinder 3 was room temp (basically cold) after idling for about a minute. Cylinders 1, 2, and 4 were getting too hot to touch at this point. This already is a huge red flag and maybe the bike isnt running as pristinely as I thought.

After noting this I figured i would remove the tank and check plugs 3 and 4. While removing the side plastics and tank i noticed a piece of electrical tape on the #4 carb air intake. Of course there is a crack in the rubber underneath. This is an obvious fix and ill have to get a new boot for carb #4.

Finally, after removing spark plugs 3 and 4, it is quite obvious there is an issue with #3. See my attached photos. #3 spark plug is on the right in my hand. Is it possible cylinder 3 is not firing at all? or perhaps firing inconsistently? the cold header and almost clean spark plug feels like good evidence I am honing in on the problem.

Im not as experienced of a mechanic but it looks like the #3 is either running extremely lean, or possibly not even firing at all? The pipe was not warming up at all which was very strange to me. There is some discoloration of the metal at the end of the plug. Is this just due to heat cycling? Potentially a bad spark plug wire or bad connection to the plug? I have a multimeter and will definitely check this. I only stopped by my garage for a few minutes but this weekend will hopefully have time to get to the bottom of it. Any further wisdom to help guide me through this is a godsend.

Thanks all.
 

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You're tight about that cylinder. Can you smell fuel on the plug? That would tell you had is getting there but ignition is failing. If not, you likely have a fuel issue.
Ground that plug against the engine and try staying the bike to see if spark is present.
 
Hello All!

I believe that hopefully this is the final update! After taking the advice of @brettp and checking the spark on all cylinders to find that all plugs were sparking strongly, I figured that just left the carb. After thinking about it for a while and watching a few videos talking about the KeiHin carbs, i suspected that maybe the low speed jets were clogged up. This would explain the lean mixture at low speed and colder pipes at idle. This also made sense to me as the bike sometimes would die at stops. I also took @Bo82CB advice and got all new carb boots. Bought a carb rebuild kit from Radakks and dove in. Ill tell you what getting those carbs back together took me way longer than i would have liked to admit, but i blasted every orifice and jet in those carbs with carb cleaner and compressed air, replaced gaskets and o-rings, and also replace accelerator pumps etc. I was extremely worried as some of the low speed jets would not break free from their holes and i think i damaged the slot on one of them but i digress.

Getting them back together was such a pain and took some trial and error, but after getting them back on the bike and syncing, NO MORE BACKFIRE :) the bike starts way better with no choke necessary. Idles super strong and consistent at 1000rpm with no dying at stop signs. I really am surprised the issue was as simple as some dirty jets. i noticed especially the low speed jets i was able to remove (1, 2, and 4) were noticeably blocked up around the bottom of the jet with some of them almost appearing completely gummed up on the sides.

Thank you to everyone that responded to me on this thread. i wasnt sure i would be able to hunt this down but shes running like a top.
 

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Good job!
You have beautiful bike there, now it is time to enjoy it. I must add few more things which help me with top running bike every time I decide to take it for a ride, hopefully these advices will help you enjoy that bike for long time,
1. Make sure to use marine stabilizer when you fill up the tank.
2. Always park bike with full tank to prevent condensation and subsequently rust inside the tank.
3. After ride, drain the gas from your carbs, this will prevent gumming up jets and damage due to ethanol in fuel.
Enjoy!
 
Good job!
You have beautiful bike there, now it is time to enjoy it. I must add few more things which help me with top running bike every time I decide to take it for a ride, hopefully these advices will help you enjoy that bike for long time,
1. Make sure to use marine stabilizer when you fill up the tank.
2. Always park bike with full tank to prevent condensation and subsequently rust inside the tank.
3. After ride, drain the gas from your carbs, this will prevent gumming up jets and damage due to ethanol in fuel.
Enjoy!
Good to hear! I always use some seafoam after filling up. Tank is in good shape so good call. Good idea to drain. Probably what brought on the issues in the first place!
 
Those pilot jets are my first thing to check. It is painful that there are 4 of them, but that's the fun of these bikes.
Glad you're up and running. Enjoy the miles!
 
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